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I declare shenanigans!

After doing some wonderful accounting work tonight, I came across this gem of an article. Here are some interesting quotes:

As far as the possibility of Sun joining the Eclipse Foundation for open source tooling, Gosling would not support this. Sun and Microsoft remain perhaps the only two major technology vendors who are not part of Eclipse

That still sounds good for Eclipse πŸ˜‰

The Eclipse endorsement of the Standard Widget Toolkit (SWT) destroyed that organization’s interoperability story, according to Gosling. “It’s a toolkit based on the Windows API and getting it to run on other platforms is problematic,” he said.

I’m sure Steve Northover is lovin’ it. Last time I checked, SWT worked just fine on my windows box, linux box (GTK), solaris box (Motif), cell phone (Nokia 7500) and PDA (PocketPC). Those crazy Mac’s are expensive so I don’t have one but I heard SWT works on there too πŸ˜‰

An Eclipse spokesman disagreed with Gosling’s assertions about Eclipse and SWT.

” I don’t believe James really understands how Eclipse works,” said Ian Skerrett, Eclipse marketing director. The Eclipse platform works well on Linux, Solaris, Macintosh, and Windows, and the SWT API is dependent on the deployment platform, he said.

“The strength of SWT is that it actually uses the native APIs of the platform,” Skerrett said.

Eclipse also is not a step down from NetBeans, Skerrett said. “I think Eclipse is a very popular, well-used, full-functioned IDE that has the dominant market share in the Java space,” he said.

Ian doing his PR like usual. I could feel him slapping his forehead when he heard that SWT quote πŸ˜‰

Asked about scripting languages such as PHP (Hypertext Preprocessor)taking the spotlight from Java, Gosling stressed coexistence.

“Many of the people who build PHP and Ruby applications actually end up using Java,” Gosling said.

I think I delcare shenanigans on this statement unless someone can prove it otherwise.

  • Donald Smith

    Can I declare shenanigans on the Ottawa Senators?

    SHENANIGANS!

  • Donald Smith

    Can I declare shenanigans on the Ottawa Senators?SHENANIGANS!

  • Neil Bartlett

    The final quote in the article is interesting as well:

    “The cell phone is tomorrow’s desktop,” Gosling said.

    Try running Swing on a cell phone, James!

  • Neil Bartlett

    The final quote in the article is interesting as well:”The cell phone is tomorrow’s desktop,” Gosling said.Try running Swing on a cell phone, James!

  • jeremiah

    I dunno. I used to love PHP and Perl, but lately I won’t touch them because Java is much more my style of language.

    so here’s one person who left PHP and CGI behind for JSP and Servlets.

  • jeremiah

    I dunno. I used to love PHP and Perl, but lately I won’t touch them because Java is much more my style of language.so here’s one person who left PHP and CGI behind for JSP and Servlets.

  • Ian Skerrett

    OK, I admit answering questions about SWT does give me a bit of a headache. It is kind of sad that Sun and Gossling are so stuck on SWT.

    btw, for the record I am pretty sure I said ‘the SWT API is independent of the deployment platform’

    πŸ™‚

  • Ian Skerrett

    OK, I admit answering questions about SWT does give me a bit of a headache. It is kind of sad that Sun and Gossling are so stuck on SWT. btw, for the record I am pretty sure I said ‘the SWT API is independent of the deployment platform’:-)

  • Villane

    “I dunno. I used to love PHP and Perl, but lately I won’t touch them because Java is much more my style of language.”

    True for me as well, and a few of my coworkers. Also, some of the local companies are now doing less PHP and more Java than 2-3 years ago. I have no idea if this is a global trend, though.

  • Villane

    “I dunno. I used to love PHP and Perl, but lately I won’t touch them because Java is much more my style of language.”True for me as well, and a few of my coworkers. Also, some of the local companies are now doing less PHP and more Java than 2-3 years ago. I have no idea if this is a global trend, though.

  • Gorkem Ercan

    To further complete your list there will be a new SWT (eSWT to be exact) port for the Nokia s60 platform.

    And remember a typical s60 devices does not even come with a keyboard.

  • Gorkem Ercan

    To further complete your list there will be a new SWT (eSWT to be exact) port for the Nokia s60 platform. And remember a typical s60 devices does not even come with a keyboard.

  • Ed Burnette

    BTW, Swing is running on a cell phone now, see http://www.savaje.com/show_device.html .

  • Ed Burnette

    BTW, Swing is running on a cell phone now, see http://www.savaje.com/show_device.html .

  • Anonymous

    Did Ian really say “the SWT API is dependent on the deployment playform”? Now I bet Steve is hitting himself.

  • Anonymous

    Did Ian really say “the SWT API is dependent on the deployment playform”? Now I bet Steve is hitting himself.