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Source-Open?

So I have a new word to add to my open-source lexicon: source-open (reference). It’s when you start an open-source company and back-pedal on your original license when you reach a certain critical mass.

I’ve been generally pleased with the work done by the Aptana folks as they have done some really cool stuff around the web development space in Eclipse. Aptana is also helping out with the new Eclipse Babel project which is cool as Eclipse eventually needs a nice globalization/internationalization infrastructure.

What’s not so cool is that the new Aptana Public License specifically blocks against redistribution which is going to hurt Eclipse community members like EasyEclipse and Yoxos who ship Eclipse distros (this also includes Linux distros). This in the end, eventually hurts the Eclipse community at large.

The thing that bugs me about this is that it wasn’t even really announced to the public. If you check the Aptana blog… there’s no mention of the license change. If you’re an “open-source” company and are going to change your license, please share it with all your community members at least. Open source communities are more understanding when they are kept in the loop.

  • snapp_action

    That’s too bad. I recently discovered Aptana and used it as a replacement for Dreamweaver/Homesite and was looking forward to helping make it everything those two product were for me. I liked it’s javascript macro system and thought it might benefit projects I have worked on, but with this license change that would no longer be possible.

    It seems like these changes would demoralize a community looking for equal opportunity usage (for lack of a better term)–kind of an abuse of the generous efforts of the community, in my opinion… But I don’t have a lot of experience with community building so I don’t understand the full ramifications with changes like these.

  • snapp_action

    That’s too bad. I recently discovered Aptana and used it as a replacement for Dreamweaver/Homesite and was looking forward to helping make it everything those two product were for me. I liked it’s javascript macro system and thought it might benefit projects I have worked on, but with this license change that would no longer be possible.It seems like these changes would demoralize a community looking for equal opportunity usage (for lack of a better term)–kind of an abuse of the generous efforts of the community, in my opinion… But I don’t have a lot of experience with community building so I don’t understand the full ramifications with changes like these.

  • Doug Schaefer

    source-open? That’s the dumbest term I’ve heard in a while. How to blatantly try to trick people into thinking you’re something that your not.

  • Doug Schaefer

    source-open? That’s the dumbest term I’ve heard in a while. How to blatantly try to trick people into thinking you’re something that your not.

  • Donald Smith

    snapp_action — have you tried emailing license@aptana.com as their licensing page suggests: http://www.aptana.com/legal/apl/ ?

    Perhaps you will still be able to (easily?) do what you want to.

    – Don

  • Donald Smith

    snapp_action — have you tried emailing license@aptana.com as their licensing page suggests: http://www.aptana.com/legal/apl/ ?Perhaps you will still be able to (easily?) do what you want to. – Don

  • AptanaPaul

    The Aptana IDE has over 10 man years of development behind it, and all of the source code is available. The Aptana IDE will continue to be freely available, and the source code will continue to also be freely available. Nothing about the product has changed, or its availability, including in source code form.

    The new license just gives us more visibility into who is redistributing the IDE. We want to keep a very high level of quality, therefore we want to be aware of any rebranding and redistribution of the IDE.

  • AptanaPaul

    The Aptana IDE has over 10 man years of development behind it, and all of the source code is available. The Aptana IDE will continue to be freely available, and the source code will continue to also be freely available. Nothing about the product has changed, or its availability, including in source code form. The new license just gives us more visibility into who is redistributing the IDE. We want to keep a very high level of quality, therefore we want to be aware of any rebranding and redistribution of the IDE.

  • AptanaPaul

    I’ve made a blog posting to clarify some items. You can read it here:

    http://www.aptana.com/blog/?p=179

    Thanks,
    Paul Colton

  • AptanaPaul

    I’ve made a blog posting to clarify some items. You can read it here:http://www.aptana.com/blog/?p=179Thanks,Paul Colton

  • snapp_action

    @Donald Smith

    I probably should have done that first thing 🙂

    Anyways, I just tried emailing license@aptana.com and got System Administrator – “Undeliverable”…

  • snapp_action

    @Donald SmithI probably should have done that first thing :)Anyways, I just tried emailing license@aptana.com and got System Administrator – “Undeliverable”…

  • Stanislav Demchenko

    It looks that Aptana license, unlike EPL, does not allow redistribution, whether the code was modified or not. This makes a big difference.

  • Stanislav Demchenko

    It looks that Aptana license, unlike EPL, does not allow redistribution, whether the code was modified or not. This makes a big difference.

  • pombreda

    It sounds like they are back pedaling again. No license change, but the latest home page does not talk any more about “source-open” but open-source.
    That is even worse because they are not open source.
    They definitely do not match neither the letter or the intent of the official open source definition.
    http://opensource.org/docs/osd
    #1 is free redistribution…

    See http://aptana.com where is now states:
    “The Aptana IDE is a free, open-source, cross-platform, JavaScript-focused editor and development environment for building Ajax applications. It features code assist on JavaScript, HTML, and CSS languages, FTP/SFTP support and a JavaScript debugger to troubleshoot your code.”

  • pombreda

    It sounds like they are back pedaling again. No license change, but the latest home page does not talk any more about “source-open” but open-source.That is even worse because they are not open source.They definitely do not match neither the letter or the intent of the official open source definition.http://opensource.org/docs/osd#1 is free redistribution…See http://aptana.com where is now states:”The Aptana IDE is a free, open-source, cross-platform, JavaScript-focused editor and development environment for building Ajax applications. It features code assist on JavaScript, HTML, and CSS languages, FTP/SFTP support and a JavaScript debugger to troubleshoot your code.”

  • Ryan Lowe

    Paul: The Aptana IDE has a lot more than 10 man years of development behind it.

    Aptana is built on Eclipse, a platform that has hundreds of man years behind it and an open source community that has been around a lot longer than Aptana. Without Eclipse and its open community of contributors, Aptana would not exist.

    Let’s not alienate that community, Paul. Redistribution is key to spreading the word about open source products — not only about Aptana but also about Eclipse.

    Obviously Aptana redistributes Eclipse — do you ask Eclipse.org if you can do that? No you don’t. Eclipse.org has higher quality standards than Aptana will ever have, that argument is bull.

    You can’t go halfway on this open source thing, Paul. I’m not convinced you need an APL and it’s not an “open” license. Be a good community member and go back to the EPL, restriction-free.

    I’m behind Kyle Shank 100% on his post as well:
    http://www.kyleshank.com/articles/2007/9/8/please-fork-radrails-now

    I’m available to maintain the old Ant build scripts for RadRails if a fork results.

    http://www.ryanlowe.ca/blog

  • Ryan Lowe

    Paul: The Aptana IDE has a lot more than 10 man years of development behind it.Aptana is built on Eclipse, a platform that has hundreds of man years behind it and an open source community that has been around a lot longer than Aptana. Without Eclipse and its open community of contributors, Aptana would not exist.Let’s not alienate that community, Paul. Redistribution is key to spreading the word about open source products — not only about Aptana but also about Eclipse. Obviously Aptana redistributes Eclipse — do you ask Eclipse.org if you can do that? No you don’t. Eclipse.org has higher quality standards than Aptana will ever have, that argument is bull.You can’t go halfway on this open source thing, Paul. I’m not convinced you need an APL and it’s not an “open” license. Be a good community member and go back to the EPL, restriction-free.I’m behind Kyle Shank 100% on his post as well:http://www.kyleshank.com/articles/2007/9/8/please-fork-radrails-nowI'm available to maintain the old Ant build scripts for RadRails if a fork results.http://www.ryanlowe.ca/blog